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He wont say aloud it now for reasons that well discuss shortly. When I noticed, however, that his more recent talks include the subjects of Sr. Faustina and divine mercy in a favorable light, I turned him off. To me, devotion to the false divine mercy devotion of Sr. Faustina is an excellent indicator of how modernist a priest is. Sacramento, CA To spread this kind of crap (totally unsubstantiated) around for thousands to read is sinful. I used to think my family would grow out of it. I remember that you detested this video and Michael Matts opinion here because I recall that you commented on it when it first came out. Sacramento, CA Orlando, FL As you say, hopefully someday he will be humble enough to admit his error. Saguto FSSP on Saturday, October 7, 2017. Even the Drumm narrative at the link admits that much just as it concedes that they really did make some bad hiring decisions. Lots of us jump in to visit Mr.V., in the midst of raising broods of children & grandchildren, juggling this and that, including old age & a long time witnessing the collapse since before 1963 for example. Thank you Barbara! EWTN's Raymond Arroyo recently interviewed two priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP): Fr. Id aleeady come across 1 of them a couple of years ago. Gerard Saguto, FSSP, North American Superior for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, made a pastoral visit to Mater Dei on Sunday, March 6th, offering the 9:00 AM Sung Mass and the Benediction following the Mass. All the doctors had it wrong and he wasnt dead then he made up a story. Priest Training Workshops In other words I am speaking about what the group believes officially and publicly. In the event that a request were made in the future, the present restrictions on Father Sagutos ministry could only be lifted after our normal review process, which would have to include a recommendation from the Ministerial Review Board of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, Archbishop Hebda added. Mr. Peter McShurley ('14), Rev. If he so desired, in this year of mercy, to also grant them jurisdiction, TMAHICH could do so. They are not coming out with press releases, video responses and challenges, threats to sue, etc. Please keep all those involved in this situation in your prayers.. Views and opinions expressed in the Missive are solely the writers and do not necessarily reflect those of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. Thank you for your kind response which I believe to be as sincere as my question. Then he has the gall to post this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBjHH2Eg-vQ all this after what happened at Fisher Moore College! Since the fruits got worse and worse he understood that he needed to protect souls and to warn them about the dangers to their Faith. Philadelphia, PA Confraternity of St. Peter If there is a so-called "schism" next month, that will affect the Modernist Sect which occupies diocesan parishes everywhere only. I give you credit. This is what michael voris used to say Perhaps, I should chose my words more carefully. Refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff by the Society can be seen in their refusal to reconcile and place themselves under the authority of the Vicar of Christ, rejecting his dogmatically defined full power of shepherding, ruling and governing the universal Church, a power ordinary and immediate over all the churches and over each and every member of the faithful.. SEND FLOWERS. The founding document of the FSSP contains lies and heresy. Ive done that in this space many times, speaking of how I once naively believed one thing about the Council, the Mass and even the SSPX, only to have my eyes opened to the truth. http://archives.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/1974_declaration_of_archbishop_lefebvre.htm, A really good film about todays saint St Joseph of Cupertino well worth a watch Your question- poignantly phrased- touches on the experience of many a trad. The glad tidings of Christmas should be obvious to anyone who believes. Maple Hill, KS Rapid City, SD Regardless of how we categorize the post-conciliar popes, the Traditional movement is best served by sticking together. Joliet, IL Their website didnt say where he was going. http://sspx.org/, Dear marian, Thomas Paprocki. Gerard Saguto (US District Superior) and Fr. Omaha, NE I think it sometimes gives them scruples. Terry is a parishioner at Mater Dei parish, run by the FSSP, in Irving, TX. I totally agree with you about CMTV. Most of the time unfortunately it falls into a type of group. A group like CMRI *does* accept those consequences, quite readily; they are not bothering to depend on any bishops but their own for their apostolates. Gerard Saguto, FSSP, and the liturgical artist, Mr. Paul Sirba. Denver, CO Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? (Ive read more of his ramblings than I care to acknowledge.). Any insight you can give regarding this reaction will be appreciated. I dont remember reading anywhere that Sr. Lucy said that diabolical disorientation would be the sole purview of liberals or modernists. The Church is in a grave crisis, and we all have to make our own way for the sake of our souls and those of our families. The threats certainly have increased in intensity in recent years; even the lukewarm Christian can sense this and perhaps feels the need to join in the resistance and push back. Objectively, absolutely nothing will change whatsoever, which brings me back to Fr. In the meantime, Im glad to say that I now fully support you and have put my money where my mouth is. Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. The Church is a home, and that is because it begins with a Person, Jesus Christ, true God and true Man. Michael Matt interviewed him in Mexico recently, I believe. Los Angeles, CA I ask this question with all sincerity not to provoke any animosity or defensive reaction. BTW, thanks for the link to the tradcatknight. Fraternity Publications In truth, that the SSPX didnt actually run anywhere is the problem: Love your enemies, be good to those who hate you is not a suggestion. The FSSP are bad actors. I have learned much from your links over the past several months and appreciate your insights. Charity is not spelled luv. Older Entries Clarkdale, AZ He is EVIL. A few years ago, there was a large national media initiative to reach out to lapsed Catholics called Catholics Come Home. No one here is committing the Mortal sin of Calumny here against the FSSP or Father Wolfe FSSP. rich, Maple Hill, KS Zilch. This public disputation between Verrecchio and Voris is not only interesting, but important, and is an excellent vehicle for attracting those in the margins the more rough and tumble Catholics who would not otherwise be exposed to the crisis in the Church to enter the fray. That photo credit is Fr. Catholics are watching and waiting. Voris linked directly to the FSSP site in Scotland in his attacks on Catholics in the SSPX. Where are the readers of this blog who have had enough of this detraction and gossip? As this unfolds, we lose sight of the individual trees that make up the forest. This is true. South Bend, IN IMHO, no one is going to learn anything about the Faith here in this combox or any other. I talk to a lot of people In and about the Fraternity. If sedevacantist friends or family have done that to you, or anyone, its a shame. However, over the last year and a half U.S. dioceses and religious orders serving most of the Catholics in the country have released lists of "credibly accused" abusers who have served in their ranks, using their own criteria for whom to include. The fact that he has since set up an FSSP parish doesnt really fully redress that injustice, to my mind. Youre free to believe so if youd like, but I dont. Positively, perspective and vigor can also be reclaimed by personal initiative and vigilance to make sure we do not get into ruts with the things that are supposed to be most important, that we are mindful of the obvious in such matters (kind of ironic when you hear it said that way). Falling away from the Church is falling away from love of a Person, a veritable running away from the home Christ built. Confraternity of St. Peter dear rich, There is no doctrine, no moral apart from Him who declares Himself to the be the Truth. God bless you. I love piokolby and others here enough to point out that they may be sinning themselves by their polemics and lack of prudent speech. Heres the truth: The SSPX refuses to sign a statement saying the Vatican II is an integral part of the tradition of the Church. It is this to which they refuse to submit, not the legitimate authority of the pope. That said, I do no wish to engage you there, but others might want to- with regard to this. Thats Mr. V.s job. Father has done a 180 degree turn since his days in Kansas City, where I also was. The benefit and usefulness of suffering is evident in such instances, at least in hindsight. But I am going to check your topics before I read further. This, for the love of God & the goal of conversion. Wolfe: Schism is not something that comes into being by a legal declaration. Zero. It is a reaction to the dreadful years after the Second Vatican Council which is getting worse by the minute. Voris and Fisher more college are just the latest in a long line of horrors. Wolfes gem about things not coming into being by a legal declaration. If I found myself in a place where only an SSPX or Norvus Ordo were available, I would choose the SSPX, hands down, and I would know it was valid thanks to Fr. I, for one, have found so many polite & dear empathetic souls here on Mr. V.s site who treat me wth tender kindness even on my worst days, and would never even think of bringin up my myriad flaws & throw them in my face. Qubec, QC If the Holy Ghost impressed them, that means He is always ready to stir up their consequences a renewed and invigored faith, courage to tackle the obstacles that challenge its practice, be it in our own soul or in the world, for the love of God and neighbor in the imitation of Christ. Most professed Novus Ordites and, indeed, any who recognise in a Heresiarch a pope, live in a sort of miasma where evidence does not rule the position, the position rules the evidence. Unfortunately Voris has much in common with the SSPX in this way. Well, I suppose I am one of them, then though I would characterize myself as more than prefer since I exclusively attend the TLM (save for an occasional Melkite liturgy, I suppose), either through an Ecclesia Dei society or diocesan priest, depending on where I am. (Mt 16:15) There is only one correct answer to this question, upon which is built the entire deposit of Faith. Lets move to Louies next post! Sarasota, FL In a Nov. 15 statement, Archbishop Bernard Hebda said the recall of Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, "was taken in response to an issue that had surfaced in trauma counseling undertaken voluntarily by Father Saguto and brought by him to the attention of his superiors. So I hope we can say that we whole heartedly agree that such warm discourse between sedevacanists & Catholics who oppose is the way not only that it should be, but it is the way we are called to be. And then theres Archbishop Lefebvre, who was more than willing to work within diocesan and canonical frameworks when he erected the SSPX, and asked for nothing more than that when he met with Paul VI. Presumably because (generally speaking) the FSSP priests avoid directly criticizing the dangers inherent in the new Mass and the Council (as Voris once did) as well as the words and deeds of the pope. Search. This is the will of God, your sanctification (1 Thess 4:3). The 1974 Declaration of Archbishop Lefebvre makes clear where the SSPX stands: Thank you. Now that Father Wolfes role has been made public with respect to both CM and Fisher More, it would be a good time to reread the story of the collapse of Fisher More College with all that in mind, and be sure to fill in what has been said here in between the lines:, especially in the section on Relations with the FSSP: Richard M As such, the pope can make a formal declaration of schism based upon the SSPXs refusal to accept the errors of the Council, and guess what? This link is more succinct. In the early days of the Novus Ordo priests and some Bishops understood that they had to give that scandal in order to protect souls from sliding into heresy and losing the Faith. Rather, a home is ultimately an interaction between personalities that are supposed to be loving each other spouses, parents, children, siblings, grandparents. Indeed we are often victims of true prejudice-marginalized as lunatics, bazaare, on the fringe or fringe groups, etc. Saguto, time for adoration and confessions, and a Rosary walk. Christendom College will see three of its alumni ordained as priests this summer. Tacoma, WA Weve got bigger fish to fry. The reality is that, regardless of what Bishop Olson did in taking away the right to TLM from the college (and failing to provide any alternative), Fisher More was in a terminal state due to imprudent financial decisions made by the administration. Until then, Ill continue to uphold the duty of engaging his folly here such as Im able. But with any worthwhile risk comes the true opportunity for growth: a gaining of self-knowledge, peace, perspective, and competency. God. Nor are they interested in arguments. I was still reading his blog almost daily when it all transpired, and can remember it not sitting well with me after hearing his explanations. The SSPX doesnt tell everyone they meet to avoid the FSSP. The only people that ran anywhere were the faithless and feckless fools who, many unknowingly, just accepted the Council and the new Mass as gifts from Almighty God. Voris has so applied his intellect. The Eichman twins join their older brother as an FSSP priest, with a younger Eichman brother still training at the seminary. Father Flood has served his term(s) and is more than ready to go back to parish work. The illness of a spouse or child, the moving away of a close friend, the loss of a job or health can all be real motivating factors to help us realize the genuine value of something. Church. For the person who knows that the Council is a grave danger to the faith, they have no problem advising against them allowing themselves (and their kids) to be formed in an FSSP parish since we have an obligation to engage those things that threaten to lead us away from the faith. Do they disagree with Voris? But we preach Christ and Him crucified. What went on at Fisher Moore College is not known. Keep up the great work. The same priest asked me to purchase a picture of the Archbishop (Lefebvre) for the Rectory. Philip Wolfe, FSSP. At one time, I am certain that Michael Voris would likewise refuse to sign such a statement. addressed to TWN, Edmonton, AB Orlando, FL What they ultimately have lacked, though, is a real sense of contact, intrigue, and love with a Person. Saguto FSSP arrives in Seattle the week of October 1st and will begin offering Mass at St. Joseph Chapel (located in the Josephinum) until a more permanent location is found. Fr. Why should this action with the SSPX have any meaningful import? All of us have a duties as Catholics. Using the principle of By their fruits you will know them the FSSP is now showing more and more bad fruit. This cannot become ho-hum, but we know there is always a danger of that, or getting stuck in a rut. Dayton, OH The problems with the FSSP are doctrinal: Springdale, AR Sacred Heart Church Location: 1020 Capitol Ave - Fort Wayne, IN 46806 Mass Time: Sun 11:30 am Phone number: (219) 744-2519 Priest: Fr Daniel Leeuw Rev. Tacoma, WA LiveMass.Net Whether or not they actually desire her destruction, or are simply operating in ignorance, is of no bearing on the present matter whatsoever. Honestly, we all need to be quite compassionate towards one another and realize that we know nothing about each other except that we love the Faith. It is also with the Bishops who do the ordinations for the FSSP. INTROIT "Gaudeamus" Score Sung without organ accompaniment by men only Conductor: Jeff Ostrowski To access the rehearsal files, go HEREand scroll down to 31 May. Saguto, FSSP is the District Superior for the North American District of the Fraternity of St. Peter, and gives retreats, conferences, and days of reflection across the country. Youngstown, OH. Tyler, TX It cannot be said in correct, exact, and precise terms that there is a schism. There is a growth in insight into the realities and words that are being passed on. You said it much better than I. I was immediately attacked when I posted a response. by Fr. Naples, FL And weather.) Either way . Sarasota, FL That said, no Catholic at any time ought ever to turn their back on another Catholic. Problem sorted. All rights reserved. We have been baptized into Christs death, the greatest act of love ever displayed and graciously made available to all. Dear Alarico, For example, was the will of the Father being expressed when Pope Alexander VI turned to one of his females friends and requested Well, you get the point. Sacrificate sacrificium justitiae, et sperate in Domino, Telephone: (570) 842-4000Fax: (570) 319-9770info@fssp.com, Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter450 Venard RoadSouth Abington Township, PA 18411, SupportPrivacy PolicyMachine Readable Files, Adjutorium Program (Masses for Living and Deceased Members), Webinar Today: St. John Bosco Camp Application Launch. IMHO what you point out is important. Catholics are STILL watching and waiting. Youngstown, OH. I am only asking this question in the hope that you can shed some light on this kind of behavior. He knows very well that the Council and the new Mass both are causing people to lose the faith. Sure, we believe in what the Church proposes for us to believe because it comes from Jesus Christ, but that needs to penetrate more deeply and be pulled in from its ethereal orbit around our souls. Priests of the Archbishop ( Lefebvre ) for the link to the false mercy. 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