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[11] Hoyles, who saw Drinkwater after buying eggs at her parents' farm, was cleared by the DNA evidence. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home she was murdered. The team also uncovered a book that had once belonged to Muriel but was found in a Carmarthen charity shop. The team are still investigating if this has any relevance to the case and are appealing for anyone with information about it to come forward. She said: "He came to public attention in the early 1950s when he was convicted of murdering an older couple. Birth: 16 Jan 1878: Some people turn to the murder weapon for answers and suggest that the killer was either an American serviceman who had previously been stationed at Penllergaer or that an American soldier may have sold the gun to the perpetrator in the village. [6] On 27 June 1946, Muriel took the school bus home from Gowerton Grammar School. Hard to work out the logic of your comment Charlotte? [15] There is evidence that Harries was employed by Drinkwater's father, John, at the time of her death. [8] Scientists successfully retrieved a DNA profile from this stain. I think it will be at least 3 months before anything definite will be announced. Moments before being brutally attacked, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater had waved to her mother, who stood at the kitchen window, as she made her way home from Gowerton High School along the long path that led to the family home. Those who have not failed may not have succeeded. Hi James. Todays' video is about the true crime story of the unsolved murder of 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946. As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. Harries was hanged in 1954 for the double murder of John and Phoebe Harries. left on the coat was compared to D.N.A. Read about our approach to external linking. Despite their inve. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. Her mother Margaret watched from the house as the youngest of. Muriel Drinkwater murder: Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? Their bodies were found buried in a Carmarthenshire kale field in 1953 you can read the full story here. I am leaning towards it being a targeted attack, in part because of the positioning of the perpetrator as you mentioned. I think it was suggested that the police thought that the family knew more than they were letting on. Your work keeps this case alive and I hope it will one day reveal the true identity of Muriels killer. And four months after Jones left the army Muriel was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea. Harries bludgeoned two of his relatives to death with a hammer when they wouldn't let him borrow their car. "The farm was a painful place for my grandparents to be," said Martin, who still keeps a little battleship toy that Muriel had given him. Video, 00:01:00One-minute World News, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. Yet, despite their exhaustive enquiries - not to mention the discovery of the gun used in Muriel's shooting - the culprit managed to evade justice. Chief Inspector Bethell aptly explains, Re-opening the case is as much about proving who didnt do it, as who did. Remember that Hoyles was suspected of Muriels murder for decades and lived under a cloud suspicion that followed him everywhere he travelled in his small village. This forensic approach is becoming more common. What a big moment in this case! Her blue coat, underwear and school uniform had been wrapped in a paper bag and stored. Her killer has never been caught and it remains among the most notorious unsolved murders in Welsh history you can read more of them here. Her mother was in the kitchen and . Neil. ~ Christine. Muriel Drinkwater was a young Welsh schoolgirl. Muriel was the same age as my Aunt Peggy and they went to Primary school together. [4], More than 3,000 mourners attended Drinkwater's funeral on 2 July. D.S. The detectives in the programme got a breakthrough when they were able to track down Muriel's relative Martin Phillips, who had been six at the time of the murder. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head . Can you explain please. Just before she entered the woods she looked up to see the farm in the distance. I suggest reaching out to a DNA expert and seeing what insight they might be able to provide. Hi Neil. Jones was only 15 when he killed eight-year-old Freda Burnell, who'd been sent by her father to buy bird seed from the store where Jones was working. I would like to request an internal review of (an adverse) decision made by South Wales Police regarding information I requested on 28-6-21. Swansea 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater, who was shot after being sexually assaulted in 1946 Now, a team of former detectives and crime experts have re-investigated the case, dubbed the 'Little. Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. Sadly though, this has proved not to be. Great questions! I appealed that decision and was then informed that as the information I requested was kept in paper format in various locations in South Wales then it would be too costly and time-consuming to check out so the request was denied. Her route to her familys home Tyle-Du Farmentailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. But they said the results now ruled out Jones as a suspect in her murder. And if you want to write a guest post that covers the update for distribution on the website, let us know. Then for 3 years he was registered at Colinette Road Putney as Harry Stevens. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest daughter of four born to Margaret and John Percival Drinkwater, a smallholder and forestry worker in Swansea, Wales. Casey DeSantis says Ron looked like Tom Cruise in his white Navy uniform when then got married at Disney: Florida's First Family says venue was an 'ironic' choice, Ron DeSantis claims former Disney CEO Bob Chapek privately complained to him about the 'pressure' he was under from woke Left to wade in on Florida's 'Don't say gay' bill. Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police, The Disappearance of Audrey Moran and Jonathan Reynoso. It is currently one of the oldest active cold cases in the UK. You will need a male dna profile from a decendent on harold joness family tree. Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater might have been a victim of a known serial killer when she was raped and murdered in 1946. "Each case is reviewed periodically," he adds. Enter your email address to receive our monthly newsletter and to be notified about new posts. This was a very small, close knit community and everybody knew everybody and everybodies business. 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The police statement that Jones was ruled out is a misleading statement. Roll on another 2 months for a denied request. Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. Thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world, it was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater had only a mile to travel from the South Wales village of Penllergaer to the farm she lived on with her family. taken from one of Jones many nieces or nephews in Wales would prove conclusively if Jones was or was not Muriels killer. Thank you so much for this detailed update. The Photo Request has been fulfilled. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Fingers crossed that one day a DNA match can give us the breakthrough needed to solve this case. If you have any information about Muriels murder, please contact the South Wales Policevia email at[emailprotected], Mystery of 1946 murder in woods BBC News article, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. Nevertheless, local legend tells of how, after leaving prison, he'd return to his parents' house in Abertillery from time to time, where the sound of him playing the organ in their front room would haunt the terraced streets. Video, 00:00:36, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece. But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts had a major breakthrough when they found a semen stain on Muriel's coat. [4] In 2019, the DNA was used to rule out notorious Welsh murderer Harold Jones as a suspect. He could possibly be a rival farmer and or business owner, we can tell the Drinkwaters run a business due to the fact that Hoyles bought eggs from Margaret Drinkwater, near to the death of Muriel Drinkwater. The identity of the man who murdered a schoolgirl in 1946 remains a mystery after DNA left on her'little red riding hood' coat failed to link to a notorious child killer. We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. Muriel Jean Drinkwater Birth unknown Death 1983 Burial. He died at that address in 1971. I am making a F.O.I. Sorry I doubled up on some of the above but cant edit it. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. ADVERTISEMENT BY ANCESTRY.COM. [6] On 27 June 1946, Muriel took the school bus home from Gowerton Grammar School. Advertisement. Her parents Harold and Muriel Jones/Stevens kept a lot of secrets from this daughter one of which may be that she wasnt Harolds daughter. If you have any new information I would be extremely interested to hear it! In the days and weeks that followed, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. . He agreed to give a DNA sample that could rule out Muriel's father from the investigation. Photo added by Tracey. In 2007 whilst researching for my 2008 True Crime book Every Mothers Nightmare Abertillery in Mourning, which dealt with the murders of two Abertillery school-girls in 1921, I received a surprise visit from Victor Penaluna, a cousin of the second Abertillery victim Florence Little aged 11. Video, 00:00:41Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. "My grandparents changed completely. Another wait and see. I personally think whoever did it was a true psychopath and he would probably of done something like it before and has done other crimes since. Evernote. "That sounds pompous, but I knew that really he was a simpleton, but I didn't detect any menace in him.". Detectives to revisit unsolved murder. 'Each case is reviewed periodically. Although the profile was loaded into the UK National DNA Database, it failed to match any of the approximately five million DNA records held there. Thanks again! And the truth will never be known. I guess a DNA test of Sheila Martin must have been taken to see if it was the same person. Muriel Drinkwater was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea, Serial killer Harold Jones (pictured as a 15-year-old) killed two young girls when he was just 15 and was jailed for 20 years. On 27th June 1946 a school girl was walking through countryside on her way home. Hey Babes!I'm back with another True Crime Tuesday case and todays case is about the murder of Muriel Drinkwater also known as the little red riding hood mur. I can be contacted at [emailprotected] or via Facebook messenger. The authorities went as far as to suggest that someone in the Penllergaer region knows about the murder weapon but is protecting the owner by withholding information. Over 20,000 men were interviewed about the crime . Published: 08:03 EST, 1 May 2019 | Updated: 13:00 EST, 1 May 2019. I am awaiting D.N.A tests to be carried out on Harold Jones family members. Ms Drinkwater was seen by her mother in the distance. As you know it is not possible to prove whether Harold Jones was Muriels killer by D.N.A testing Jones daughter. Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. The 12 year old loved to sing and there was a skip in her step as she started on the winding path through the forest. It was also tested against the DNA of one Harold Jones, a convicted double child murderer who slayed two similarly young girls in Abertillery in the 1920s, to see if he might be the perpetrator. Former Detective Inspector Paul Bethell, who was in charge of South Wales Police's cold case team, explained in the documentary: "We know Muriel used to catch the school bus from the school to the gateway off the main road which led to the forestry, and then she would walk about a mile through the forestry, along the lane to the farmhouse.". Heres hoping one day soon Muriel gets some semblance of justice. They visited the Carmarthen bookshop to identify if the killers family had taken the books there. will do what you suggest. I am not a DNA scientist so sadly I cannot answer this question for you. Request number 772/21. He said, ``She was regularly seen walking, skipping and singing in the woods as she made her way each day from her home to the . It became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder - but who killed Muriel Drinkwater? Video, 00:02:56, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle. The path she walked home on curved in and out of the woods; her mother saw her walking home along the path and into the woods, but not come out again. Her name was written in copper plate, Muriel J Drinkwater, and they were examined by the forensic expert who did some incredible work for us, and was able to find this full crime stain on the back of Muriel's little school mac. Muriel, who lived on Tyle-Du farm at Penllergaer, near Swansea, went missing on Thursday, June 27th, 1946, and her body was found next day in Penllergaer woods. found on Muriels coat and D.N.A. Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirl Muriel Drinkwater 's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. 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Mark Lewis by email of this fact but my email was ignored. 2023 BBC. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. The crime scene is a short distance from the farmhouse. The 73-year-old stain was discovered during a cold case review in 2003 and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of evidence in the world. If the perpetrator was lying in wait as I believe he was, why select that certain spot? Martin well remembers a young girl who was "always full of life" and would always be skipping and singing. Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirlMuriel Drinkwater's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. Just a few weeks short of her 13th birthday, Muriel had been beaten on the crown of her head with an object, raped and then shot twice in the . Hi Nicola. But when they tested a stain on Muriel's coat it did not come up with a link to child murderer Harold Jones - who is also suspected of being a serial killer dubbed Jack the Stripper. [8][4] Policemen from Glamorgan, assisted by the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit, used a metal detector to search for a second weapon suspected to have been used, but never located it. Does his daughter have a son.? [7], The next day, Drinkwater's body was found in the woods by a police inspector. Have a great week! I have informed South Wales Police regarding this information to save them a fortune on a wild goose chase trying to extract D.N.A. Psychic Diane Lazarus. Mudgee General Cemetery. Muriel was murdered 16 years before I was born, but it was a story I had heard from a young age. [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample in the world to be successfully extracted in a murder investigation. 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